*groans* I knew I didn't want to bring up more politics. I am a glutton for punishment, aren't I? Anyhow, those weren't my words in that post.
I'm not going to address the other points. I don't have the energy to debate about something that I'm just not feeling the passion for. Not when you brought up something that cuts me to the quick every time I hear it.
Just because a woman believes that every human life is precious despite the sins of the father, she's not a feminist? Never mind that she's worked her ass off to get where she is instead of riding on the coat-tails of her husband. Never mind that she has been as consistent as humanly possible in expressing and living her values, except when they interfere with the laws and constitution of the state she is governor of, in which case she has followed the laws in place. Never mind that she's a strong, independent woman, who just for her drive and ambition and tenacity ought to be a role model for young girls everywhere who are constantly told, whether overtly or far more insidiously through actions and highly gendered speech, that they'll never be in a position of power, they'll never be anything more than a pretty ornament, so they should just leave leadership and all that complicated stuff to the boys.
I mean, Hell, I don't agree with Pelosi or Clinton, and I can still admire them for being strong women who have shown that a young girl can do anything she puts her mind to. I don't really agree with Obama on a lot of things, but I still admire him for proving that you don't have to be white to get far in life. So why can't people who don't like Palin say the same about her? Is it that hard to admit that even if you disagree with everything someone believes in, they still ought to be respected as a human being, and beyond that, as a human being who has fought against culturally ingrained bigotry to become something more than just a woman? I've noticed people have had similar problems with Condoleeza Rice. Again, even if you disagree with her, why can't you respect her for acheiving so much despite having to put up with sexism and racism?
I guess a woman's only admirable as a feminist if she thinks and believes just as you do.
So, thanks. I guess I'll go turn in my feminist card as well for being a woman who doesn't believe in killing the child because the FATHER committed a crime. (I don't believe in the death penalty either. Human life is human life, no matter how the human squanders it.) I guess I should've turned it in earlier, but I didn't think I'd have to. I thought being a feminist meant wanting every woman, no matter what her beliefs, to be seen as being just as worthy as a man. I thought being a feminist meant wanting every woman to be able to choose her future, even if what she chooses is to be the stay at home mother of five or more children, or the secretary who everyone knows is sleeping with the boss, or the single CEO who doesn't need a significant other to be happy. Guess I was wrong, because right now I'm seeing a lot of bashing of stay at home mothers and conservative women like Palin and Rice from feminists.
If I sound too high and mighty for your liking... I'm not going to apologise. I don't like lying.
I'm tired. I'm tired of that one issue being the sticking point of whether someone is a feminist or not. Especially since it would take a Supreme Court ruling to overturn Roe v Wade, and an act of Congress to make it illegal by federal law. Especially since Palin would not, as governor of Alaska, should Roe v Wade be overturned during her governorship, impose her views on the state, but instead bring it up as a public ballot for the people of Alaska to decide.
I'm tired of seeing people say that their body is more important than a body that can't defend itself. What crime has that unborn child committed to deserve such a penalty? What about the rights of female infants, since there's so much concern about the right for a woman to choose what happens to her own body? What about the rights of the father when it's a case of consensual sex leading to pregnancy? Has he no right to his own child because the mother decided that she didn't want to carry the child for nine months?
Just so you know, you've done a bit more than just TOUCH a nerve Pt 1/2
Date: 19 October 2008 00:14 (UTC)I'm not going to address the other points. I don't have the energy to debate about something that I'm just not feeling the passion for. Not when you brought up something that cuts me to the quick every time I hear it.
Just because a woman believes that every human life is precious despite the sins of the father, she's not a feminist? Never mind that she's worked her ass off to get where she is instead of riding on the coat-tails of her husband. Never mind that she has been as consistent as humanly possible in expressing and living her values, except when they interfere with the laws and constitution of the state she is governor of, in which case she has followed the laws in place. Never mind that she's a strong, independent woman, who just for her drive and ambition and tenacity ought to be a role model for young girls everywhere who are constantly told, whether overtly or far more insidiously through actions and highly gendered speech, that they'll never be in a position of power, they'll never be anything more than a pretty ornament, so they should just leave leadership and all that complicated stuff to the boys.
I mean, Hell, I don't agree with Pelosi or Clinton, and I can still admire them for being strong women who have shown that a young girl can do anything she puts her mind to. I don't really agree with Obama on a lot of things, but I still admire him for proving that you don't have to be white to get far in life. So why can't people who don't like Palin say the same about her? Is it that hard to admit that even if you disagree with everything someone believes in, they still ought to be respected as a human being, and beyond that, as a human being who has fought against culturally ingrained bigotry to become something more than just a woman? I've noticed people have had similar problems with Condoleeza Rice. Again, even if you disagree with her, why can't you respect her for acheiving so much despite having to put up with sexism and racism?
I guess a woman's only admirable as a feminist if she thinks and believes just as you do.
So, thanks. I guess I'll go turn in my feminist card as well for being a woman who doesn't believe in killing the child because the FATHER committed a crime. (I don't believe in the death penalty either. Human life is human life, no matter how the human squanders it.) I guess I should've turned it in earlier, but I didn't think I'd have to. I thought being a feminist meant wanting every woman, no matter what her beliefs, to be seen as being just as worthy as a man. I thought being a feminist meant wanting every woman to be able to choose her future, even if what she chooses is to be the stay at home mother of five or more children, or the secretary who everyone knows is sleeping with the boss, or the single CEO who doesn't need a significant other to be happy. Guess I was wrong, because right now I'm seeing a lot of bashing of stay at home mothers and conservative women like Palin and Rice from feminists.
If I sound too high and mighty for your liking... I'm not going to apologise. I don't like lying.
I'm tired. I'm tired of that one issue being the sticking point of whether someone is a feminist or not. Especially since it would take a Supreme Court ruling to overturn Roe v Wade, and an act of Congress to make it illegal by federal law. Especially since Palin would not, as governor of Alaska, should Roe v Wade be overturned during her governorship, impose her views on the state, but instead bring it up as a public ballot for the people of Alaska to decide.
I'm tired of seeing people say that their body is more important than a body that can't defend itself. What crime has that unborn child committed to deserve such a penalty? What about the rights of female infants, since there's so much concern about the right for a woman to choose what happens to her own body? What about the rights of the father when it's a case of consensual sex leading to pregnancy? Has he no right to his own child because the mother decided that she didn't want to carry the child for nine months?